647: You Don’t Need to Be ‘On’ All the Time to Be Successful

You Don’t Need to Be “On” All the Time to Be Successful

Let’s be honest. At some point, you probably started believing that the only way to keep your business growing was to always be switched on. Always showing up. Always doing more.

But here’s the truth. That constant “on” energy isn’t sustainable, and it’s definitely not the key to long-term success.

What actually works is knowing when to show up, when to step back, and building a business that doesn’t fall apart the moment you take a break.

So if you’ve been carrying the pressure to be everywhere all the time, this is your permission slip to let that go.

Let’s talk about what really creates growth that lasts.

Hustle Has a Place, But It’s Not Your Business Model

There are times when pushing hard makes sense. A big launch. An upcoming event. A tight turnaround.

But if you’re operating like that every day, that’s not strategy. That’s panic. And panic-driven hustle is what leads to burnout, not momentum.

It’s okay to have seasons of intensity. But they should be short. Intentional. Backed by a plan. Not your default mode.

Visibility Doesn’t Mean You Have to Be Available

This is the part that changed everything for me. You can stay visible without being constantly available.

It’s not about showing up in real time. It’s about having systems that keep your voice and your message front and centre, even when you’re offline.

That’s what automation is really for. Not to replace your voice, but to support it. So you’re not chained to your phone or stuck on the content hamster wheel just to stay relevant.

Consistency Doesn’t Mean Doing It Every Day

You can be consistent without posting daily. You can be reliable without burning out.

Consistency is about showing up in a way that’s steady and intentional. That your audience can depend on.

And the best way to create that? Use systems. Batch your content. Schedule ahead. Delegate.

Because let’s be real. You didn’t build this business so you could work harder than you did in your job. You built it so you could have freedom. And if you’re the engine behind every moving part, you’re not free.

Rest Isn’t a Luxury. It’s How You Grow

Some of the best ideas you’ll have won’t come when you’re working. They’ll come in the quiet. On a walk. In the shower. When your brain finally has space to think.

If you don’t have room for white space, you’re probably not running your business at its highest level. Rest isn’t what happens after the work is done. It’s what allows you to do your best work in the first place.

So Where Do You Go From Here?

Start asking yourself better questions. What could your business look like if it didn’t rely on you showing up every day? What would change if you stopped trying to be on all the time, and started building for spaciousness instead?

You didn’t leave your job just to build a busier one.

You left to create a life. Let’s make sure your business supports that.

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Samantha Riley  00:00

Success doesn’t require hustle. It requires alignment, systems and Smart Energy Management. I’m Samantha Riley, and welcome to the business growth lab, where visionary entrepreneurs come to experiment, evolve and expand what’s possible. Welcome to today’s episode of the business growth Lab. I’m your co host, Samantha Riley, and I’m Leon Flint, and we’re coming to you today from Bali. This is so exciting. This is great. I

Leon Flitton  00:30

was wondering if you’re gonna say that. Yeah, it’s been a big week,

Samantha Riley  00:32

hasn’t it? We bought a little puppy because we missed George so much. We had people reaching out to say, Oh, we liked your podcast better when George was in it.

Leon Flitton  00:43

So there’ll be a little puppy shortly.

Samantha Riley  00:46

There will be a little puppy when we got one more trip to do after Bali, and then we can go pick up little Archie. But we did meet him on Sunday. He’s super cute, and we got his little video from the vet yesterday. He’s a whole 1.4 kilos, Tiny. You know when

Leon Flitton  01:02

you had the pictures or something, and you see it on a screen, and then you get the and you I picked him up, and he fit in my

Samantha Riley  01:07

hand. I know he was so little. He looked so tiny in your act. But anyway, so we met little Archie, and now we’re in Bali, ready to run a client event this week. Super exciting. It is super exciting because we get to have massages every single day leading up to the event. I mean, we, we could anytime, but in Bali, you

Leon Flitton  01:29

have to, right? It’s a requirement, yes, yes. And it’s super chill here as well. Yeah.

Samantha Riley  01:34

So today we’re actually going to talk about why you don’t need to be on all the time to be successful. And I’m putting on in little quotation marks, a little rubber ears, because I think a lot of people think that they need to be on all the time to keep their business alive, or they’re scared, if that they don’t, you know, stay on that they’re going to lose clients or people will not see them. Actually, this one came up with one of our clients that sometimes they feel guilty when they do unplug or they’re not in that Operator mode. Yeah, I think that’s more common than people think it is absolutely and I think that because we’ve come through this school system where you’re taught to be a certain way and act a certain way. And you know, if you do this, then that will happen. And then we go into getting a job, and it’s the same as an employee. It’s like, you have to be on all the time. And we’re taught that if you’re not doing all the things and being the good person, then you’re not working hard enough. Yeah. So we have to, you know, there’s a lot of mindset shift, I think that needs to be undone, to realize that it’s very different to be doing what we’re doing, and actually the way that we’ve been taught to stay on is actually hurting our business.

Leon Flitton  02:51

I was gonna say it’s like brainwashing. It is exactly what it is, but I know exactly what you mean. And having had, you know, a corporate career before starting a business, it is a thing. Like, I think, you know, times when I might have been an area manager, when they give you a phone and they don’t really pay you for it, but they go, you’re on call, and like, how am I on call? You’re not paying me to be like, 24/7 but that’s the brainwashing. So, yeah,

Samantha Riley  03:13

that’s the expectation you do you have to be on 24/7 so being on doesn’t mean being on 24/7 it doesn’t mean that you have to be on camera every day or in hustle mode. It’s actually the opposite. It’s about being really intentional with your time and being intentional with your presence, because there’s energy behind everything that we do. And if we’re constantly in hustle mode, or we’re constantly trying to be on and starting to feel resentful, then that energy bleeds through into everything that we’re we’re putting out into the

Leon Flitton  03:47

world. Yeah, I actually think energy just just drops in total as well, 100%

Samantha Riley  03:53

100% like I’ve been there and done it multiple times, where I get caught work, work, work, and being in that hustle mode, and it never ends well, you know, you end up getting sick, you be resentful, you’re exhausted. Gosh, I’m sure I’m not the only person that sat in front of a laptop for hours on end and realized, oh my goodness, I’ve just stared at a screen for four hours.

Leon Flitton  04:17

Yeah, yeah. There is times to hustle, I’m sure, but, oh, 100% but I don’t think like 24/7 365, is the way to be doing those, those little hustle pieces. So

Samantha Riley  04:29

totally. Can I just say though, just for anyone that’s in their head going, oh my god, Sam and Liam said it’s okay to hustle, yes, I think that you do need to hustle at some times. Here’s what I’m thinking like, just before you’re going into an event, there is a that moment where there’s so much that needs to be done, you can’t just sit back and expect it to happen, but you can’t sustain that. Yeah, yep. And I think that the marketing that you don’t ever have to hustle at. Actually has confused people and made people think, Oh, my goodness, I’m doing something wrong, because I’m in this, like, really busy time in my business, like, I can think, yeah, there’s, there’s multiple things if you’re maybe in the middle of a launch, like I’m not talking about constantly, but if you’re in the middle of a launch, there are things that need to be done. Yeah,

Leon Flitton  05:21

yeah. I think it’s like a sprint. You know, you sprint for so far before you slow down to a crawl, pretty much. And then what I always think of is, what is a productivity loss from you trying to sprint flat out all the time?

Samantha Riley  05:34

Yeah? So I’m just thinking you were a runner. Yes, I am not and never have been a runner when you are and you are a sprinter, or were, I don’t know, it was a long time ago. Now, even when you’re training, you’re not training and just sprinting all the time, or you’re not in race mode and sprinting all their time. There’s other things that need to happen,

Leon Flitton  05:55

right? Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I used to do four hundreds, which is a bit of a crazy race anyway. But even then, we, we didn’t just run four hundreds one after the other, either. So training was like portions of that race, you know. So you would train for bits at a time. But

Samantha Riley  06:11

so you mean, like, you would train sprinting out of the block, or you would train just in the last 100 meters, or something like that. Like, yeah, like one

Leon Flitton  06:19

hundreds and 300 for example, so but, but we did all the time. You didn’t just try and sprint flat out for an hour because you’re training for 400

Samantha Riley  06:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that’s the same as business. There are times where we’re going into a launch, or we’re in a launch, or, you know, you could think about a launch as race day, or you could think about an event as race day. And there’s certain preparation that needs to happen and and you do need to do that 100 meter sprint to prepare for it. Yeah,

Leon Flitton  06:46

yeah. So I think it’s like when you are running that race, and if you think you are gonna have to run that race for a really like, let’s just say it was a kilometer. You can’t sprint for a kilometer, but the speed you go at by the time you get towards that one kilometer, it’s so slow. And I think the same thing happens with with your business that, like you said, is that time you’re staring at the computer screen and you’ve done like, 10 minutes of working three hours, and you think, what was the point of that?

Samantha Riley  07:12

Yeah, I should have just gone and gone for a walk instead of even attempting had a power nap. Yeah? Oh, I love love, good, power. Now,

Leon Flitton  07:23

is there a time that you could think of where you were just trying to hustle and sprint like crazy and it didn’t pay off, or there was a negative effect on it?

Samantha Riley  07:31

Yeah, I think when I’m thinking back to those times, it’s generally where something has changed in my life, like a big change, and I’ve kind of had a little bit of a panic moment. So when I separated from my husband, my ex husband, there was that, uh oh, shivers. I like things have changed, and I ran the wrong program, and it came from a place of panic, yeah, right. Or maybe, you know, you need an A cash injection, and instead of just being calm about it, it’s panic. So even as we’re chatting now, what hadn’t occurred to me was those times it’s when I haven’t taken a breath and thought, Okay, this is the situation. What’s the strategy? So it’s almost like a panic. It’s an overwhelm, it’s a hustle without strategy, and that it’s, I don’t know, you know, what’s came to mind? You know, the old cartoons that we used to watch coming home from primary school, and Taz devil used to like, that’s what I’m thinking. Like, it’s a full TAS devil moment.

Leon Flitton  08:43

Totally get that. Yeah, I did want to come back to the energy that you put out by doing that. But just one of the things that I always think about is being available for your clients, and the mix up between visibility and availability. What do you think?

Samantha Riley  08:59

Yeah, we get stuck with that. I think that this is a big conversation to be had, because you can be visible, 24/7 without being accessible. 24/7 and what I mean by that is, when you are doing things like creating content, it’s about pre recording it. It’s about pre planning it. It’s about scheduling it so that it’s consistently going out. You’re consistently visible, but that doesn’t mean that you’re available. 24/7, that I know for the last two weeks, I’ve had content going out, and we’ve got a system in place where I haven’t touched my socials because we’ve been planning coming into event mode. So I’ve been visible, but I haven’t been accessible.

Leon Flitton  09:45

Yeah, yeah. Do you think that plays into the fact that you didn’t start a business to beyond 24/7

Samantha Riley  09:52

as well? I certainly did not start a business to be on 24/7 I can tell you that right now. I decided to go into business because. I knew that I could make more money than I was in my job, and I wanted to have my own hours yet. So many people make the decision to go in the business with the same reason and end up working more hours and actually making less money. So we need to be really, really strategic about this. And when I mean, when I say strategic about this, but be strategic in business to make sure that we’re earning more money than we could in a job in less time than we could in a job. I think it’s really important. Yep, totally agree. I think that we need to understand as well, that we need to, you know, we spoke about it at the beginning of the episode, about having that employee mindset, and we need to really transition our thoughts to manage our energy better, because in a job, your boss doesn’t care if you’re managing your energy. You start at whatever time it is, 8am 9am depends on your job, and then you have to work all day, and in a lot of cases, people don’t even get actual lunch breaks. I remember saying to you one day, can you just run these errands for us? And you’re like, Babe, I get a lunch break. I’m like, Huh? What? I didn’t even know that was a thing,

Leon Flitton  11:14

yeah, that happens.

Samantha Riley  11:16

Yes. I was like, Oh, wow. I just assumed that all employees got lunch breaks. Apparently, not so that employee mindset of you know, you would start at whatever time it was in the morning and finish at night, and you were expected to work that whole time. We need to understand, as business owners, it’s not like that anymore. Not all hours are equal. We need to leverage when we’ve got energy and then really pay attention to how we need to conserve our energy and look after ourselves in the time where an energy is low.

Leon Flitton  11:48

Yeah, I know this is something you call the protect the founders energy. Yes,

Samantha Riley  11:52

say, remember where I saw that, but we talk about it a lot, don’t we? We’ve both got it on little post it notes on our computer, protect founders energy, and that’s when we are starting to feel like, actually, we’re starting to feel a little bit low in energy, or we need to take a break. That’s there to remind us that we’re actually allowed to. I know that sounds really weird, but we can get easily caught up in thinking, Oh, just got to do the next thing. I’ve got to do the next thing.

Leon Flitton  12:22

Yeah, I think one of my friends said to me years ago, and this was about corporate and business, but what he said was, sometimes businesses run on the back of people burning themselves out. Yeah, and not that I want that for anyone’s employees in business either. But you can see how, as an employee, you kind of burn yourself out completely. And if you continue that mindset and take that into the CEO role, you are, well, you’re a little bit useless to everyone,

Samantha Riley  12:47

yeah, and that is one of the top three companies in Australia that actually has that as a well known fact, yep. And I think it’s absolutely disgusting, and we’re not here for that. Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about leveraging the energetic highs, because this is where I’ve even had to say something to you just recently about this. When we first met, I used to wake up naturally at 4am I’d be out of bed by 430 and I’d be working. And I used to work all morning, and pretty much finished by lunchtime. Yep. And I know that if we’re traveling that we will often do that we will just sort of get up and work maybe, like, 6am till 10am and then we’ve got the rest of the day to go sightseeing or, you know, whatever it is that we’re going to do just recently, and I would say, probably in the last, only in the last probably two months, I’ve noticed that I’ve been waking up later and later. And the last couple of weeks before we came away, we were sort of getting out of bed at nine and sometimes even 10am and you said, oh my goodness, we need to sort this out. And I said, Why, if we feel good on this timetable, then why should it change? Whose rule was it that you need to, you know, be successful and get out of bed at 6am because that’s what all successful people do.

Leon Flitton  14:17

And to be fair, I responded with a blank look. Question, answer,

Samantha Riley  14:25

it was like a glitch in the Matrix. Like, oh, what just happened? Oh, I got coached No, because it we do go back to hang on a minute. Like, it’s not good to be like staying in bed till 10am that says, who like, if I feel better because I’m staying in bed till 10am Yes, it’s not my I’m gonna say normal, like, obviously it’s something a little bit different, because it is so unusual for me. And I’m thinking it’s because it’s winter, and I certainly hate winter and being cold. I’m thinking it’s like a bear hibernating year, but I. Things happening. But if that’s what we want to do, like it’s our business, our rules,

Leon Flitton  15:04

right? Yeah, well, I think as well that you go through seasons. So it particular times of your life, whatever that may be. Sometimes you do get up at 4am and work, because that’s where you’re in your happy place. And other times you’re happy at 9am it’s just where you’re at. And I think if you’re energized when you get up, like we said before, and you’re in a good efficiency mode, and you get stuff done, and you’re very productive, I think that’s really good, and that’s something you need to keep in mind

Samantha Riley  15:33

totally so yeah, I think that your business, your rules, needs to be like a daily mantra, yeah, like you are the one building the rules, and if the rules don’t work for you, then change them. Yeah, totally. I want to talk about consistency, because consistency is definitely something that I’m big on. We need to be consistent to build a sustainable business. However, can I just say that consistency doesn’t mean that you have to do it every day. I talked about it before that. You know, consistent content needs to go out for visibility, for authority positioning, but that doesn’t mean that I create every day. There’s days actually, I just had a laugh. I just booked in a podcast guest earlier, and the question on the screen was, do you record in audio or video? And in brackets, I said, I need to know whether I need to put on a bra and makeup. And I was like, oh, Soul Sister, I totally know where you’re coming from, because I don’t want to be putting on a bra and makeup every single day. That might be too much information for for some people. And I’m going to say probably 98% of people are listening to this and going, Oh yeah, like Not me either, right? So consistency, yes, there needs to be consistent practice so that you’re reliable, you’ve got a congruent presence. But I think that you need to think about systems being put into place of consistency, so that there are times where you need to take a week off because you’re exhausted, or if you maybe you’re not, maybe you just want to take a vacation, maybe the kids are on school holidays. Whatever it is, the consistency doesn’t mean that you need to be showing up all the time. So you need to have reliable systems in place.

Leon Flitton  17:24

I was going to ask you about this. Come across this a few times when something’s urgent for someone else, it’s not necessarily urgent for you. So, and I will probably get to this in a minute. So I may have dropped the gum a bit here, but I’m thinking that you didn’t start a business to work 365, days a year, and that’s you don’t need to be on physically in front of it, like they’re doing a live, you know, every day, for example. And that’s why what you just said there about pre recording stuff, or, you know, doing batching your social media, for example, is important because it needs to get when it needs to go for you, so you’re not on all the time. I think that’s really, really

Samantha Riley  18:00

important. I think that’s where we need to bring automation in, because it’s really difficult to create consistency when it’s all relying on you. So, yeah, leaning into, I guess, automation, it creates spaciousness. It creates the energy for you to take time out. It enhances the client experience, because it’s consistent for them, and that, in turn, allows you to show up better.

Leon Flitton  18:28

Yeah, so I’m a big fan of this automation, and I think that, yeah, because it makes you way more efficient, that gives you time back. But is there like a shift that you can think of that made a massive difference into the way that it got more time back, like whether it was a system or a structure change, or something along those lines. Actually, I think

Samantha Riley  18:49

probably my most favorite system that not just gave me time back, but made me feel more comfortable, was actually creating an onboarding system for new clients. And what I mean by feeling more comfortable is I knew that a new client was getting a consistent experience when they came on board with us, so putting the system in place, they automatically got the logins so we didn’t need to chase them up. So they automatically our team knew that they needed to be on boarded in the genies department. So the genies are our implementation team. So I didn’t have to reach out, or someone in the team didn’t need to reach out and say, Hey, have you got a brand book that we can put on file? What’s the logins for your website? So we can start making sure that it’s updated every day. All of that was automated. They were notified. This is the times that you need to book out in your calendar. This is what’s going to be happening in the first 30 days that you’re working with us. Here’s a link to the calendar to book your onboarding call. Like all of that, it took a little bit to set up, but creating that system meant that I could speak with a new client. Client and just, I guess, get off the call and celebrate, rather than think, oh my goodness, I need to make sure that they’ve got everything like that just automatically happens.

Leon Flitton  20:10

So from my point of view, when I think about this, is that it made those first calls super efficient for the coaches. And then something that I’m a real big fan of is speed to market, yeah. And so when I think about how fast with the implementation team of the genies, that they can get up and running, it just like, makes it like, snappier and snappier to get it going. So I’m a big fan of that. So the efficiency from one side and then time saving from the other side as well, from the coach as well, and just, I suppose it’s like leverage, really.

Samantha Riley  20:40

Yeah, yeah, you’re right. It’s saving time over so many different areas. Yes, yeah, yeah. I want to talk about automations here, though. So want to talk about automations a little bit, because I think most people, when they think automate something, they automatically think piece of technology. But really, it doesn’t. It’s really talking about getting something off your plate. And sometimes it is an automation and a piece of tech. Sometimes it’s delegation, and a team member is going to do it. It’s still automated on your part, because you’re handing a system to another team member and asking them to do it. Either way, it’s just we’re trying to get things off our plate.

Leon Flitton  21:23

Yeah, yeah. I know we’ve talked about in previous episodes about what the CEO kind of tasks actually are and what you’re doing. And I think if you look at delegation, in this case, if someone else can do it for you, so you gain time back. And I think that’s a really key thing as well. So something I think that we’re looking at here is, is that the freedom that you that you’re trying to gain, I think this is a good start to gain that true scalability really comes from getting your freedom from the like constantly grinding away all the time. Yeah,

Samantha Riley  21:52

totally true Scalability means freedom from the constant grind. And I think that that’s really important to pay attention to where do you feel like you’re grinding, and what system, what do you need to automate? What do you need to delegate? What needs to happen so that you’re getting rid of that grind? Yeah, yeah.

Leon Flitton  22:12

And look, if you’re bringing this back to what we said this episode is all about, which is, you don’t have to be on all the time, yeah, yeah. So and but all these little pieces come together to making that actually possible for you, while still running your business the way it should be run. We’ve

Samantha Riley  22:28

talked a lot about not being on let’s talk about the power of the off time and why this is so important. And I think that the first thing is that, as a CEO, your deepest insights are going to come in times of rest. They can be many times of rest, like being in the shower, going for a walk, driving a car, like most people say, that’s when those little things drop in, right? Let’s go say the magic shower. The magic shower, everyone in the world knows about a magic shower. I’m often told, can you just go get in the magic shower and try and figure out what that mess is in your head. But like, just think about even like we’re in Bali, we totally chilled out on the plane, you know, six, seven hours, where you’re kind of doing nothing, even the day that we landed, even though we’re coming into an event, we decided that we weren’t going to do anything for that. We were going to get massages. We went for a really long walk. We went and checked out the area. And then what happened last night? The insights didn’t like Bing, bing, bing, bing. They all started dropping in, didn’t they, and even at breakfast this morning, it was funny, like thinking back, I think we talked about business the whole of breakfast. Yeah, pretty much. And that wasn’t because we had to, it’s because we took time out. And to some people, this might not even seem much, it was like two days taking time out. But for us, I guess because we do enjoy what we do, having those two days off really just like created that spaciousness for all of these insights to start dropping in, like, I think

Leon Flitton  24:03

it’s a bit twofold. It’s the fact that you actually have the time to stop and think about it. And couple that with actually moving to a different space, just like sometimes at home, you move to a different space in the house to do different jobs. Yeah,

Samantha Riley  24:18

totally. Like, yeah. So I guess last night we were sitting we’ve got this huge balcony area in the villa that we’re in, and we were up on the second level, and all you could see was palm trees and frangipani trees. That’s all we could see. And it was absolutely silent, which is crazy, because we’re in Seminyak, like, there’s like, BBB, got it down the road constantly, but it’s so silent here, and all you could hear was birds rustling of leaves naturally watching the sun go down. And we just started having a crazy conversation around where are we having our intensive next year? And all of a sudden, I’m, you know. Bringing in, like, having a look, what are the planetary influences for the different months next year? Like, what’s the theme going to be like? What do we need to make sure that we pay attention to? We were bringing in Astro cartography, we were bringing in human design. We were bringing in the planetary alignments, like, all this stuff. It was super cool. So that we could, you know, explore different things. And that all came from, I think, taking time out and just being in a different space.

Leon Flitton  25:27

Well, I think it allowed you to go deep with what, because the planning for those events, I know you take really seriously as well, super serious. And I think, yeah, like I said, allowing you to go deep and actually, really, you know, just like, kind of let it flow and go, Well, where do we want to have it and those kind of things, and I think that’s really important. It makes a big difference to the event. But having the time here on the balcony, just with the palm trees and the birds and was really, you know, just just good for us to dive into

Samantha Riley  25:56

1. It was super cool as well, to get the four dates next July that we should be running an event at Lake Pomo in northern Italy, like I was just like, hello, thank you, energy. That’s the kind of crazy shit we’re doing here. So I think that I really want to bring back that why we’re talking about this is because you need to honor your energy and not fight it. And that employee mindset that you talked about before Leon it can really catch you out like it still catches me out like I’m I’m human. I know, I know sometimes I don’t act like it, but you know, we all jokes aside. We’re all human. We all have moments where, you know, we’re we’re not perfect, and we do need to really be aware of that, that old mindset and that old way of being, and how it can catch us out.

Leon Flitton  26:52

Yeah, I know there’s, I think if you’re not in good energy flow, I’ll call it that, because not sure what’s to call it, you can be nowhere near as creative if you’re not in the right flow. But if I think about if you’re trying to hustle a time, and then what happens is your productivity drops, and then you energy drops. And I said, Well, you said, can’t serve others from an empty cup. Is that what it is, 100% 100% so you become not as effective for your clients as well, so it’s not great for you and it’s not great for them either. So, and I think that’s something I like to think about.

Samantha Riley  27:26

I know that I’m not going to go deep into this, because I think this is a whole nother episode, but I do want to kind of finish off with as something that catches a lot of people out, and that’s thinking that they need to take time off and just walking away from their business. And that’s why we’ve talked so much about making sure you’ve got automations and that you’re delegating and there’s systems so that your business can run without you, that taking time out isn’t just about walking away and not letting anything happen. It’s about taking the time out while your business still runs. And I just wanted to touch on that quickly, just in case I wasn’t super clear about

Leon Flitton  28:07

that earlier. Yeah, yeah, it’s a business, not a job as well.

Samantha Riley  28:12

This is definitely about creating sustainability. So something to consider is, what would your business look like, if it could thrive while you rested? What needs to be happening behind the scenes so it can still thrive while you’re taking time out? Yeah, love that. Any parting thoughts, Leon,

Leon Flitton  28:35

I love that question. And I also think that the lens you can use for a lot of these things is to protect the founder’s energy.

Samantha Riley  28:44

Yeah, and on that note, guess who’s got a massage booked in 10 minutes? So we’re gonna have to wrap it up, because I’m off for a massage. Thanks so much for joining us for another episode of business growth lab. It’s been a pleasure hanging out with you today, and we will see you next Tuesday, when another episode drops. Thanks for joining me, Leon, and thank you for joining us and Bali in Bali, we might even record another episode while we’re here watching, yeah, I like it here, maybe after your massage, absolutely. But Ciao, for now, you.

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