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You can’t outsource identity. And AI won’t build the version of you who can lead your next level.
We’re living in a fast-paced, AI-fueled world, but if your nervous system is frayed, your visibility strategies won’t land, your messaging won’t resonate, and scaling will feel like pushing a boulder uphill. If AI doesn’t burn you out, your own unconscious patterns will.
In this episode, Samantha brings back energetic alchemist Louisa Havers for a powerful conversation about the deeper (and often hidden) forces influencing your business results now, more than ever.
From the subtle programming of the collective narrative, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to create wealth with alignment, identity, and discernment intact.
You’ll learn how to elevate your consciousness without losing discernment in the age of AI, regulate your nervous system to reclaim your creativity, and reprogram subconscious beliefs that are secretly shaping your sales, strategy, and visibility.
If you’re craving more income without selling out your values or outsourcing your voice, this conversation is your compass. Lean in, take what resonates, and let your energy lead the way.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL DISCOVER:
- Why the collective fear narrative is quietly reprogramming your business decisions (01:44)
- How to use AI without handing over your authority (07:01)
- The one thing robots will never replicate (13:15)
- How pandemic-era trauma still lives in your business results and how to rewire your identity to safely expand your capacity (19:26)
- Reframing common industry beliefs that are keeping talented experts playing small (25:35)
- A practical muscle-testing method to identify whether it’s your identity, energy, or nervous system that’s creating resistance in your business (38:06)
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Table of Contents
The Real Reason Your Business Feels Stuck (And It’s Not Your Strategy)
Your Nervous System Is Quietly Running the Show
Scaling Starts With Identity, Not Strategy
Scaling Requires Discernment, Not Hype
What To Look At If You’re Ready for the Next Level
Alignment Isn’t Fluffy. It’s Strategic.
The Real Reason Your Business Feels Stuck (And It’s Not Your Strategy)
So you’re doing all the “right” things. Your messaging is tight, the offer is clear, and the strategy makes sense. But something still feels off.
The needle isn’t moving the way it should. You’re putting out content, launching programs, showing up like you’re supposed to, and yet, it’s like your business is stuck in energetic quicksand.
Sound familiar?
Let’s talk about what’s actually going on beneath the surface, and why more content, more AI tools, or more strategy tweaks won’t fix it.
Your Nervous System Is Quietly Running the Show
If your nervous system doesn’t feel safe at the level you’re trying to grow into, you will unconsciously create friction, procrastination, distraction, or burnout.
And that’s not mindset. That’s biology.
When your body still carries the weight of past experiences (hello, pandemic years, failed launches, or just being chronically “on”), it interprets growth as a threat. It doesn’t matter how good your sales plan is. If your system is dysregulated, your business will stall.
So if you’ve been pushing harder and getting less in return, the problem isn’t your effort. It’s the internal signal that says: this isn’t safe.
Scaling Starts With Identity, Not Strategy
You can’t scale beyond the level of identity you’re currently living from. If you subconsciously still see yourself as someone who’s just getting by, someone who’s not quite ready, or someone who’s faking it until they make it, then your business will reflect exactly that.
Scaling sustainably requires more than action. It requires becoming.
That means upgrading the version of you who’s leading, not just through hustle, but through identity expansion.
Until your inner world shifts, you’ll keep recycling the same external results, no matter how clever the launch plan is.
AI Won’t Fix Your Energy
AI is here, and it’s not going anywhere. But relying on it to replace your voice, your message, or your creative process is a fast-track to beige content and bland results.
Sure, it can help spark ideas. It can shave time off a task. But it cannot (and should not) replace the one thing your audience is craving more than ever: authentic resonance.
You can’t outsource your discernment. You can’t automate connection. And you definitely can’t let a robot do your emotional labor for you.
Remember, your energy is your brand, and people can feel the difference between a bot-generated post and something written from your bones.
Scaling Requires Discernment, Not Hype
We are in the loudest marketing era we’ve ever seen. Everyone’s shouting and posturing. If you’re not careful, you’ll get sucked into a swirl of “shoulds” and surface-level success signals that have nothing to do with actual impact.
The reality is most of your ideal clients don’t need another hype reel. What they need is to feel safe, seen, and led.
That’s where discernment comes in.
It’s the ability to cut through the noise, to question the narrative, and to lead, instead of just react.
If you’re taking action from fear (of missing out, of falling behind, of not being enough), your audience will feel it, even if you “say all the right things.”
What To Look At If You’re Ready for the Next Level
If you’ve hit a plateau, or you’re growing but it feels unsustainable, pause and ask:
- Is my nervous system regulated enough to hold more visibility, income, and responsibility?
- Have I updated my internal identity to match the next-level business I’m building?
- Am I using AI as a tool or a crutch?
- Do I trust my own discernment, or am I outsourcing my decisions to trends
- Is my energy in alignment with the strategies I’m using—or am I just ticking boxes?
The answers to these questions don’t just shape your business – they shape your experience as a leader.
Alignment Isn’t Fluffy. It’s Strategic.
Alignment isn’t just about “feeling good.” It’s about making business decisions from a place of inner clarity and energetic congruence so your strategies actually work.
Because when you’re regulated, rooted in your identity, and grounded in discernment, your message lands, your audience connects, and your income grows.
And best of all? You don’t lose yourself in the process.
ABOUT LOUISA HAVERS
Louisa Havers is a globally recognized Wealth Energetics Expert, empowering leaders and coaches to break free from income ceilings and achieve extraordinary financial results. As the creator of The Helix Method® and a Master Akashic Record Channel, Louisa has guided thousands of entrepreneurs to rapid growth by mastering the forces of energy. Her unique blend of science, spirituality, and proven techniques helps clients not only reach but exceed their goals. Louisa’s personal journey from corporate burnout to creating a life of freedom fuels her passion for helping others unlock their highest potential.
WHERE TO FIND LOUISA HAVERS
- Website: https://louisahavers.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisahavers/
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/louhavers
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LouisaHavers/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/louisahavers/
- YouTube: @LouisaHavers
- Podcast: The Infinite Prosperity Podcast
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TRANSCRIPTION
Louisa Havers 00:00
I just had a call just yesterday with someone, and she just dropped in without even skipping a beat. But of course, the coaching industry is over saturated. And I said, really? I said, you’re in a vacuum thinking that it’s over saturated, but that’s only your current reality, because that’s the people you’re surrounding yourself with, exactly. And that’s why I think is really worth remembering. Our discernment and actually our consciousness creates our reality, because then we can change those beliefs. It’s a complete myth. So how cool to know that actually, by expanding your network and building relationships, that you can grow your business.
Samantha Riley 00:39
I’m Samantha Riley, and welcome to the business growth lab, where visionary entrepreneurs come to experiment, evolve and expand what’s possible.
Samantha Riley 00:50
Welcome to today’s episode of business growth Lab. I’m your host, Samantha Riley, and today we’re going to talk about aligning your energy, elevating your identity, expanding your wealth. And I have invited Louisa havers back. She first joined us on episode 490 of the podcast. Back then, it was influenced by design. She’s the creator of the helix method. We did speak about it back in that episode, so I’m going to link that up in the show notes so you can go back and listen to it. But today, I don’t know where this conversation is going to take us. We have just had the most incredible conversation in the green room, and I’m looking forward to diving into who knows what. So welcome to the show.
Louisa Havers 01:33
Louisa Sam, thank you so much for having me. I’m delighted to be back.
Samantha Riley 01:38
We just have the most beautiful conversations, like I said back in episode 490 you and I reconnected a couple of weeks ago and chatted for well over an hour. And I said, I have to get you back on the show. So thank you for accepting my request and coming to dive down rabbit holes with me publicly, because we did it in private. I want to start off by asking you, because you’re all about the energy, collective energy, and really aligning your energy, your identity, so that you can create wealth energetically, what are you seeing from the collective consciousness right now? What’s coming through. What are you seeing in your clients? What are you feeling? Because I’m feeling like there’s a big shift, and I’d love your take on this.
Louisa Havers 02:30
There really is. And I think one of the things, just to preface this with, is that there’s always something going on in the collective there’s always some kind of fear mongering, whether it’s wars, whether it’s covid, you know, whatever it, whatever it may be, shifts in economy, you know, the cost of living, crisis, all that kind of stuff. There’s always something going on that is wanting our attention. So for me, one of the things that I see is work that really can impact people, is where we get hooked into the collective consciousness narrative, and then that starts to program our consciousness and perhaps trigger what is held within our blueprint and our previous experiences. So we start to expect more of the same of whatever that aspect, that aspect is, and I think one of the big things that is I’m really seeing that’s impacting entrepreneurs, particularly, is the whole narrative around AI. At the moment, you can’t go on to the internet at the moment without AI popping up its head and seeing how people, I do see some people are being very proactive and leading with love, creating new things, and other people, it’s flipped people into fear. And I think any time, of course, with anything, but of course, in relation to this aspect around the narrative, around AI and the collective consciousness, people reacting and taking action from a place of fear, which then it’s never aligned, is it we’re never going to make the right decision if we’re taking action from a place of fear, I feel like AI is like a massive it’s pulling humanity into a very swinging in one direction. It’s like a pendulum, if that makes sense, which means it’s going it’s going to have to come swing back the other way. And I think what really concerns me in relation to how I see it impacting entrepreneurs, people of all ages, actually, because this is something that’s not just impacting us, you know, with our business owners, but our children, you know, our children’s children, and what the hell is going to happen to society moving forward? I think the big thing that I would invite people to contemplate, because it alarms me, is like, where are we giving our power away to AI? Because we do whenever we there’s like, a new thing that comes in, and so often we can. And lose our discernment, or forget our discernment. That is something that we have our own inner discernment to be able to say, actually, this feels wrong, but the the swathe of the movement is moving so fast, it’s like the fastest thing that we’ve seen ever I would say in terms
Samantha Riley 05:18
of, I believe it is, I think I believe it is.
Louisa Havers 05:22
Yeah, it’s just phenomenal. Our consciousness kind of can’t keep can’t keep up with it, from that perspective. But I think it’s impacting people on many different levels. And I think as humanity, we’ve had two aspects that have really contributed to the mental well being of entrepreneurs, children, you know, all aspects of society is we’ve had the isolation of lockdowns and covid and different parts, you know, different parts of the world, and how that has impacted people’s mental health, self confidence, self worth all of those things, their social skills. And then now we’ve got aI coming in and basically saying we can replace humans on on so many levels, and that will be triggering all sorts of aspects around being kicked out of the tribe in, you know, in our in our consciousness, as well as all the other things that we’re seeing on the internet in relation to this, you can’t even ask a question on the internet Now without AI. AI’s response is blah, blah, blah,
Samantha Riley 06:22
yes, right at the top of Google where sponsored ads used to be. Now it’s a piece of AI like, I don’t even, to be honest, I don’t even look at websites anymore, not from a Google search. I still specifically go and look for other websites. But if I’m doing a Google search and I need a piece of information, yeah, I will take that, I’ll take that AI snippet at the top, and go, cool. Got my got my answer,
Louisa Havers 06:45
yes, yes. And we were talking in the In the Green Room and how, and this is the risk, I think, is where, you know, our gift is. We have discernment. But of course, so many people will read what is given to them. Let’s say, you know, chat, GPT or whatever other AI thingy jiggy that people are using. There’s so many out there, but not discern whether it’s actually true or not. And of course, if you’re we’re using it for research information, we’re not necessarily going to know whether it’s true, because we already know there’s a whole load of stuff on the internet that’s not necessarily true. Like, you’re an expert in your field, I’m an expert in my field. And I know when I read something, I’m like, that’s just, that’s nonsense, but it’s been written with
Samantha Riley 07:29
authority, you know, totally. And I think that this conversation is really needed, because I’m in two places on this number one, AI is here, and if we don’t embrace it, then we will get left behind. But it’s how are we using it? And I think that that’s the important piece, because if we don’t use it, chat, GPT, Gemini, Claude, they’re all large language models, so if we’re not adding to those and adding our voice and adding the way that we speak and and our authority content, then we’re essentially muting ourselves. So it’s really important that we’re still using it, and we use it for way more than that in our business. But at the same time, I find it really interesting, because so much is incorrect when chat GPT starts that how many people are going to be relying on it? And then it’s like they’re being fed a completely untruth or a new narrative. And that’s the bit that scares me, that bit right there, because we’ve gone through we know things we have learned through life. But if someone doesn’t know enough to be able to say, well, that’s not right, then that’s the new truth, exactly.
Louisa Havers 08:48
And then what starts to happen and be created from that, that person’s truth that they’re holding, that they thought was was real, yeah, that bit, that aspect, is very alarming, which I completely get what you’re saying in the relation to we need to correct it, the sense of making sure that the truth is input into into AI, because otherwise it’s going to just go off, and other people’s aspects are going to be adding to it, and it will think that that is that that is the truth my brain can’t quite kind of contemplate, like, where’s it going to be in? Like, two months, three months, four months, just because the rate that it’s been expanding?
Samantha Riley 09:35
Yeah, it’s absolutely incredible. And I know that I’ve got some really good friends that are very at the forefront of AI, I guess, and they talk about things that are happening that they foresee will happen in this year. And I’m like, Really, I can’t even imagine what that’s going to be like. And you’re saying this year, wow, I’m equal parts Absolutely. Absolutely terrified and excited. And I can’t quite pick which one it is.
Louisa Havers 10:09
Can I have a foot in both camps and be both like walk with that foot in the terrified is going to give you the discernment, and then being able to recognize the exciting parts. I think, yeah, it’s that, for me, it’s that aspect of, then, how is this all impacting our consciousness and our energy field, and how do businesses evolve and embrace it? And, you know, one of the big things I think we can see, and I know I’ve certainly seen a lot of conversations on the internet around this, around you can tell when AI is written somebody’s marketing copy. You know, where? We’ve got lazy where, because it can turn it out in like a nanosecond, and people aren’t kind of really checking actually, is this how I would say this? Is this how my ideal client would would speak? Because they’re not doing it, because it’s almost like marketing, the voice has become so samey, I don’t know if that resonates, but I certainly I’m saying it. I’m like, three sentences in. I’m like, that’s been written by chat. GPT, and I can’t feel people’s, you know, from an energetic perspective, I really feel people’s energy and like, if it’s been written by AI, or people are using those AI photos and things like, I just can’t feel your energy and it doesn’t feel authentic.
Samantha Riley 11:23
I couldn’t agree more. And it’s amazing how quickly we’ve become accustomed to how chat GPT, right? So you can pick it so quickly. And I do use chat GPT to bounce ideas off, to come with up with ideas for content. I will run it through something that I’ve written. So I’ll generally start with an idea and maybe run it through at the end, but in the middle, it’s all me, yes, because I’m a creative like, you know, I’m a my first business was a dance studio. I’ve been a creative my whole life, you know, drawing and art and painting and dancing and choreographing and writing, and that’s the thing that lights me up. And like you said, we feel the energy behind the words. So if we’re not lit up creating our content, then the energy is not coming through, and people are not necessarily aware of it. But you can already like you. And I said, you read something that’s purely written by chat GBT, and you switch off, you’re just like, I’m moving on already. So it’s just adding to a noise that we don’t want to hear.
Louisa Havers 12:32
So true, so true. And we’ve got enough noise, we’ve got enough,
Samantha Riley 12:36
plenty enough noise. We
Louisa Havers 12:41
really have, I think that piece for me, around people are going to crave authenticity more and more. I think, yes, because of of course, as humans, we’ve always wanted it, but I just think it’s being highlighted that that is going to be people superpower in this world where you’ve got a robot basically, that can work faster than any human could possibly ever and how do we, as you were saying earlier, embrace it, work with it, collaborate with it, partner with it, but actually retain our discernment and our authenticity along the way?
Samantha Riley 13:16
Absolutely. I’ll tell you a funny little story. I was it was my father’s 80th on the weekend, and we had all of family flying from all over Australia. We had a big party for him, and sort of after lunch, we were with some family members that a lot of us hadn’t seen for 10 years. And we opened up quite a lot of wine. Actually, we all have, we’re having a great time. And one of the things we were laughing about was the fact that most of all, you know, all the cousins now are all over 50, and we all need reading glasses. So we were having this little little bit of a joke about that. And anyway, at one point, someone in the group said something exceptionally funny, and we all laughed. And someone else went, gee, that was quick. And we started to take that and say, you know, like, are people going to lose that? The conversation went to, are people going to lose that? And we had this bit of a funny moment where all afternoon, we were all pretending to pull a note out of our pocket and kind of put our reading glasses on and read the reply to the funny jokes. And we were saying, you know, is, is the art of just the quip going to be lost? And it was a really interesting conversation.
Louisa Havers 14:25
This is such a good point because, like, how are people relying on the creativity that you get and the thinking process that you have as you’re creating content? Sam, like, that’s exercising your brain if we’re not exercising our brain with those thought patterns, being able to have conversation with other people, you know, being able to have that quit. If we’re not practicing all of that, we are going to lose it. My son, actually, we had a very similar conversation around, you know, what is the impact on humanity in relation to, you know, our consciousness, relation to AI. So he put. Into Google. What is the what is the impact? Of course, AI answered, which was just kind of ironic in itself, and it along the lines. It basically said, if people aren’t going to be using their cognitive thinking skills, their problem solving skills, their conversational skills, their creativity skills, because they’re going to be leaning on AI, my language too much. They’re going to use it. My son said. So basically, humans are going to become dumber. Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. So how do we navigate this as entrepreneurs, so that we humans don’t become dumber, we continue to evolve. We don’t kind of, what’s the word? You know, undo society. It’s our own undoing, isn’t it, of society?
Samantha Riley 15:43
Absolutely, and I know that you and I are not going to solve that on this podcast. But has anything come through for you about or come through a conversation with clients, around this conversation and around how we can keep this collective consciousness at a higher level.
Louisa Havers 16:06
I think that just thinking of we’ve had more conversations with clients around the aspect of that discernment piece in relation to AI, certainly when I’ve been having conversations with people more from the kind of business coaching sort of aspect. I think for me, the piece that and this feels like this is a prompt for me to bring this forward with the clients that I do train in Akashic records and energy psychology is around, how do we help our clients to have that discernment, that energetic discernment, because that’s the piece, because AI is going to get better and make less mistakes, and, you know, correcting it, and, you know, hopefully we’ll get to a sort of a state of where you can say, you know, most of it’s most of it’s accurate type of thing. But I think that piece of where our humanity is is our intuition. That is that being able to read the energy AI is never going to be able to do that. And I think that I say, never gonna be able to do that. There are things where it can, you know, scan your aura, and, you know, all that sort of stuff, but not from a human, intuitive perspective, and to be able to read, you know, your energy from from that angle, I think that’s going to be absolutely key, and people being able to who perhaps haven’t tapped into that before, but actually saying, right, this is what I need to enhance my intuition, to enhance my discernment, so that I can be ahead of the curve as AI is developing along the way. If that makes sense.
Samantha Riley 17:46
It all makes perfect sense. I know that one of the things you talk about is really elevating your identity. I’ve had a lot of conversations with good friends just recently that we are seeing a lot of people that aren’t able to do that because their nervous systems are absolute, like overwhelm. I think that covid really brought that forward. And I even though it was five years ago, I still don’t think that collectively, we’ve worked through that. And I don’t think, from a personal level, we’ve worked through I think we’ve all just stuffed it down and got, Okay, keep going, even though it’s, it’s not around anymore. It’s, it doesn’t affect us anymore. Outside of us, I still feel like it’s our nervous systems are shot. You know, we’ve got fast AI moving quickly. We’ve got, you know, you and I were talking about, you know, things like cost of living, crisis and all sorts of awful, awful things happening around the world. How are you seeing this play out in the entrepreneurship space right now?
Louisa Havers 18:57
This is so key, because, of course, if we are in that space where we are responding to what we’re seeing outside of ourselves, and then allowing because there’s always a feedback loop, isn’t there? You know, we have our identity that shapes our beliefs, the emotions that we’re feeling, the actions that we’re taking, that creates our reality, and then we see the results, and it feeds back into the actions that we’re taking, the emotions that we’re feeling, the beliefs that we hold, the self concepts and identity. So if we’re just kind of allowing that to play through, and we haven’t specifically done anything in relation to around how all of that previous experience, around whatever happened in you know, if we take the last five years, my goodness, in the last five years hasn’t so
Samantha Riley 19:39
much crazy, isn’t
Louisa Havers 19:41
it only five years like, Oh, my word. But if you think about how our nervous systems have been impacted in the last five years, like our identity, you know, often people will think of it as, you know, it’s psychology that’s in our minds, but we know that we’re we’re our minds are in our bodies. Everything is in our body. In and our nervous system. So if we haven’t done that inner work, then our nervous system is going to be responding to what it’s anticipating that had happened, happened previously. And so we see this time and time again in showing up in people’s businesses. You know, for example, people will know that if they’ve had, let’s say, a divorce, or a grown up with a toxic parent, etc, and they’ve done the inner work, they’ll recognize, and they can see how those patterns play out in their business. And ultimately, they may be afraid of, let’s say, being more visible, because they’re afraid that they’re someone like their mum, for example, is going to show up in their business. And so they don’t really want that relationship to play out again. And so the nervous system is going to create procrastination and breaking the computer so whatever it is, so that they can’t be visible, they’ll tell themselves all sorts of, all sorts of stories. So we’ve got that, you know, so we know that that’s already there. So let’s take that and think about what actually happened in in covid. Where were the traumas? What is your body holding? What is your nervous system still holding, still anticipating that they may be running in your field and therefore in your business? Because I know certainly in the coaching industry, a lot of people experience a bit of a boom in 2020 because suddenly everyone’s at home, they’re online. They can’t go and see their friends. So group coaching program, fantastic. I get to see some, you know, connect with people, be in community, which was completely stripped away from us, unless you were breaking the laws the country that you’re in. I mean, isn’t it a funny old thing to think that that was even a concept that, you know, you weren’t allowed in a, I can’t remember, in the UK, it was like no more than six people could gather at one point, and you had to be when they started easing it before that, you know, of course, you know, weren’t allowed to see anybody, yeah, but all of that, you know, being separate from your tribe is such a deep fear that when we have other adult experiences, childhood experiences as well, that impact on ourselves, it triggers that old, old fear within us, and then, if we aren’t aware of it, that’s part of our identity, and our Identity is going to do, or our default set points are going to do everything they can to keep that identity the same. I always say, our subconscious wants to have 100% success rate in delivering its programming. In fact, it will have 100% success rate in delivering its programming, whatever that may be, including what we picked up and what our body thought about and made of. You know, our experience in covid, what is our body deciding and making an experience of whether you had a bad month in sales, for example, a launch that might not have gone how you wanted it to go. And certainly, I know through conversations with colleagues that entrepreneurs, if they’re in that marketing space, may have had that experience where what was working, suddenly isn’t working. And then the impact on the nervous system in relation to that, and then, as a result of that, new beliefs would have come in that we might not have be aware of, and then we’re creating a reality from that place.
Samantha Riley 23:15
Yeah, I just had a call just yesterday with someone, and she was, you know, she was just chatting away, and she just dropped in without even skipping a beat. But of course, the coaching industry is over saturated, and I let her keep going. And when she finished, I said, Do you mind I just picked up something that’s really interesting. I said, you said that the coaching industry was over saturated. This particular person ran workshops for corporates, and she said, You know, it’s over saturated. And I said, really? I said, I actually know so many corporates that don’t even know the coaching industry even exists. Wow. I said, you’re in a vacuum thinking that it’s over saturated, but that’s only your current reality, because that’s the people you’re surrounding yourself with. It’s not over saturated at all. In actual fact, the coaching industry, even though it might be growing quickly, it’s actually not a huge market. It’s actually a tiny market. And these are some of the things that can really affect us. And like you said, they could, you know, they bounce back and go, Oh, well, you know that launch didn’t work because the coaching industry is over saturated. I can’t get clients now because it’s a cost of living crisis. I can’t get, I can’t do, I can’t be because of and things that aren’t even true. They are true to you. I’m not downplaying that, but they not, might not be true in a bigger picture,
Louisa Havers 24:48
exactly, and that’s why I think is really worth remembering. Our discernment and actually our consciousness creates our reality. Hurrah, because then we can change those beliefs. We can change the belief that the coaching industry is. Is saturated. You’ve given everybody the evidence that that is, you know, that’s a myth. It’s a complete myth. So how cool to know that actually, by expanding your network and building relationships that you can, you can grow your business, and people out there don’t even know coaching exists. So that’s the people that we we need to reach. I think the internet we can kind of probably because of the algorithms and all the things and the way the networks are set up on the different social platforms is you can, you can get these weird bubbles of what reality looks like on the internet. And I think for me, one of the alarming things, and I really, yeah, I would love to dive into this and seeing what your thoughts are on this as well, because we touched on this around how, like, for me, it’s like, how we got to the place where we’ve almost got coaches being like a celebrity status, like a guru status. That’s not like walking in partnership with someone and helping them to be empowered. Like, where has this distortion come from? And it’s like a feeding frenzy of it that it feels like the toxic side of the coaching
Samantha Riley 26:06
industry. I caught up with a friend last week, and we were chatting, and I hadn’t seen her for a little while, and she said, Oh. She said, I know that personally, you know you’ve been to Bali, and you’ve done heaps of travel when you’ve you’ve done this, this and this. And she said, but I haven’t seen any of that on social media. She said, Have you ever thought that because people don’t see that they think you’re not successful? And I said, Oh, that’s interesting. I never even considered that. And she said, Yeah, because this person, this person, this person, I know that they’ve been to hear and hear and hear around the world. And they’ve done these things because they’ve put on social media. I said, Oh, okay, that’s interesting. Let’s like, dive into this further. So you believe they’re successful because they put pictures of them being in other parts of their world. How often do they talk about what they do, about their methodologies, about their signature systems, about what they teach. And she said, Oh, actually, I don’t know. I just know they’re successful. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to do these things. And I was like, Huh? So we were sitting there over a drink, and I’ll say, this was not me, this was her. And I just went, that is genius. She said, What is so interesting about the coaching industry is you don’t see this in any other industry. In other industries, they say, you know you want, you want to buy a burger, then you come to McDonald’s, if you want this, you get that. In the coaching industry, it’s not like that. And she said, it’s almost like Coach porn, where my word, she said, they’re just putting out these things that actually have nothing at all to do with their expertise and what they’re teaching, and I was just mind blown that we were having this conversation.
Louisa Havers 27:49
That’s such a good point, isn’t it a distortion of what success is, I think, in the sense of, because there’s many people, and I’m sure you’ve been in the situation as well, where you’ve seen someone’s social media, you’re like, Hmm, what you’re saying? I know your business isn’t at the level that you’re proclaiming it to be, you know, and all that kind of stuff. But of course, other people don’t know. Maybe to them, work with them and all that kind of stuff. And this is where it comes back to that discernment piece. Like, how are people choosing their next coach? How are they making those decisions? Like, you know, if you’re going to go and hire a lawyer, have you been to family court before? There’s going to be that the evidence on their website, there’ll be the conversation that you that they have, where they talk through exactly what they’re going to do, not whether they’ve gone to, you know, whichever part of the world they live in right now. She says, living in Thailand,
Samantha Riley 28:42
do it. You definitely. Sam, I love it 100% and that’s where she was coming from. She’s like, you went to Bali, you know, you ran your client event, and I’ve just traveled around a fair bit. And I said, here’s the thing, though, I want to keep it private. I’m not saying don’t do it. I want to do it. I love to do it. It’s how I love to live my life. But what I want to share with people is how they can do it, not exactly what I’m getting from it. Does that make sense?
Louisa Havers 29:14
Yes, it does. It does. I’ve had many people say, oh, you should do more of your you know, travels and things. And things. And I’m like, well, then it feels like a travel vlog, yeah, rather than actually, I’m doing something really special, so I’m happy to kind of share it, you know, or whatever it might be. But, yeah, it’s this funny thing of, what are we then selling? If we are we selling the lifestyle of being a coach? It’s just bizarre, like, it’s surely we want to be selling, hey, I can help you to feel empowered. Or, you know, whatever your niche is, to have more success in your business, in your relationships, you know, your health, whatever it may be that needs to be our conversation like, how have we got to this bizarre aspect? It feels like narcissism has just kind of come in.
Samantha Riley 30:00
100% 100% Yeah, it’s not like, here’s what I can do, like I can go and travel to these places because I’ve got the money to do it. It should be if you want to create the money so that you can do whatever. These are the frameworks that I can teach you so that you can do it. I don’t know it to me, there’s a big flip there,
Louisa Havers 30:22
yes, because also everyone’s what success looks like. It’s going to be very, very different, you know? It might be, I was going to say, if you haven’t got commitments, then you might be able to do the traveling thing, if you want to do the traveling thing, or you might be like, you know, what? I really want to set up a a charity in my local home, you know? And that’s what success is to you, or to be able to quit your job and focus on your business full time so that you can move in with your mum and take care of her in her elder years, you know, that’s success too. It’s a funny old world that we’ve Virtual Reality almost feels that’s what, yeah, absolutely, where we’ve stepped into and we are receiving all this information and, you know, and it’s being programmed in our subconscious. You just think, how many people and I include myself in this? Like, oh my god. How am I scrolling on Instagram through and flicking through? How am I doing this, you know, like, like, I’m picking up all these messages that all going into my consciousness, and I’m forming beliefs without even realizing it. Because it’s almost like being hypnotized. You’re in a hypnotic state when you’re in that going down a scroll hole, scroll.
Samantha Riley 31:36
No one wants to go down the scroll hole. No,
Louisa Havers 31:40
but it’s extraordinary how you can go, Oh my God, that’s five minutes gone, or even longer, before you kind of snap out of it, and then realize, great, I’ve just wasted 20 minutes of my precious, precious life that I’m not going to get back. But with these, you know, we were talking about distractions earlier. It’s just distractions coming into our consciousness all the time. But those aspects there, I think, where we’re getting programmed, if we’re looking at the whether it’s the travel vlogs, or whether it’s coaches that have you know, are putting out their lifestyle aspect all the time, and using that, for me, it’s like an energetic hook. It hooks people in. It’s not like that, radiating truth energy. It feels very, very different. It’s a bit like that. The you know, how you get those posts where it’s like, I’ve just had my 80k month or my 10k month, you know, whatever, insert your number, and the marketing is all about me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And you think so. What is that doing like to people’s consciousness in relation to how they subtly feel inside, whether they feel that they are successful because they haven’t hit whatever number that they’re seeing. But also, is it really
Samantha Riley 32:51
true? Well, we don’t know any of that. What do you personally do to, I guess, not succumb to those distractions, because I think that what’s really interesting is there’s, there is a fine line for anyone that’s in business. We kind of do need to be paying attention to what’s happening to make sure that we’re at the forefront. We talked at the beginning of the episode about, you know, we’re in a very different landscape now, even to what we were at the start or the end of 2024 even the start of 2025 you know, stuff that I was teaching in March has already evolved and changed, so you kind of do need to be in it. How do you balance that? And what do you do to, I guess, clear the distractions that aren’t the right ones?
Louisa Havers 33:41
Yeah, that’s a really good question. And I was going to say, don’t get me wrong, because I can get distracted too.
Samantha Riley 33:47
Oh, I mean, we’re all fashion time, right? Like I am. I love tick tock, and I just will give myself some time to go down the scroll Hall on tick tock every now and again, just because I enjoy it.
Louisa Havers 33:59
But yeah, it’s the dopamine hit, isn’t it, and then we get addicted to that dopamine hit. So I think for me, as I’ve really recognized, when I catch myself doing those things, one thing I’d invite people to do as well, if it resonates, is to just call your energy back from wherever we’ve we’ve allowed our consciousness to be in that scroll hole and to be and to be hypnotized, because we don’t know what we’ve necessarily picked up or where we’re seeing those hooky kind of posts like, I think for me, it’s becoming easier and easier to see like we’re talking about. You can tell AI it’s written that post. You can feel the energy like I can feel, certainly feel the energy. And I’m sure when people, if they’re that’s not resonant with their language, you just take a pause. You can start to, you know, train that so you can feel, feel the truth in a post. Feel if it feels aligned. Feel if it’s actually trying to kind of hook your energy in. And if someone is running that, and often, I think it’s. A bit of an aside. People are perhaps naive to picking up what they think success looks like, and they have to position themselves in a successful way, rather than in an authentic way. And I think for me, that’s what I’m looking for, is that authenticity to be able to help me so that I could have that’s where I’m going to have real relationships with people. That’s where I’m going to feel that connection. That’s where we’re going to allow those emotions to rise within us without kind of going, Oh, that feels like a really good thing over there. That dopamine hit. It’s addictive. And how we can kind of go into those aspects. Instagram is the scroll hold I can I can fall down.
Samantha Riley 35:44
I do have a very good friend that we send Instagram memes to. It’s usually about five or six, and then I’m like, Okay, I’m out. Yeah, you’re right. It is fun, you know, for someone that’s listening now, and they are doing well, but they haven’t quite hit where they want to be. They haven’t quite they’re ready for the next level. They want to hit that next revenue level. What’s some questions that they can ask themselves, or some things that they can look at? Maybe some methodology is totally not the right word, some things that they can do to really figure out what their hurdle is that they need to move through to get to that next level.
Louisa Havers 36:26
You know, I know we talked about this before, around the muscle testing that I teach. And, you know, there’s lots of different ways of doing muscle testing, and I know people, some people love it. So if you if you love muscle testing, then I would invite you to muscle test to see if the biggest block, if you like that, is in your way. I can give you sort of six that you can muscle test on to see. So you’ve got an area to focus on. And the first one would be, I call this the resonance riff. So it’s like a disconnect between what your higher self wants, or your super consciousness wants, what your conscious mind is saying and what your subconscious programming is saying. So we need to get that into alignment. So you could muscle test to see, have I got a resonance rift in relation to creating a seven figure business, you know, whatever, whatever it might be. And the other aspect would be, because we all have specific set points in relation to how much money we’re going to allow in, how much success we’re going to allow in, how much love we’re going to allow in, how worthy we feel all all aspects and we all have the energetic, psychological and physiological set points. So you can muscle test to see like, Have I got is my set point to do with wealth preventing me from, you know, hitting seven figures, or whatever that next level of business is, because I love these, these six to be able to have as a framework for people to be able to know exactly where the starting point is, because otherwise, our consciousness is fast. Your energy is vast. It’s it can be like overwhelming of like, where, where on earth do I begin? And of course, you know, I’ve worked with so many people where they will tell me, and I know I’ve seen this over here. This is the direction. I’m like, well, and we work through it, and then I’m like, well, Isn’t it incredible how your consciousness created that as the direction to go in, as a way to distract you from actually where you need to go. So we need to be mindful of that, of how we can create diversions for ourselves. And the third one is where our current identity becomes the block, because we cannot create that next level from this current version of ourselves. I cannot create my next level of business from this current version of me. So I need to do the identity work to be able to create that, that next reality, to be able to expand the team, to be able to expand the revenue, you know, whatever it may be. Of course, there’s all sorts of different business models that you know, people can follow to create that reality. And the fourth one you know, you can muscle test on is like, is this down to my nervous system? Because nervous system regulation is absolutely key. And you know, it’s impacting everything in our in our energy field. And I link it in with, I think we talked about this last time Sam around, when we’ve had a trauma. So thinking about where, perhaps, if you had a trauma during covid, that impacted your business, you know, those things are kept impacting our nervous system, but also kept in our energy field. And I call these energy reversals. It’s where our energy goes in a reverse direction. And they’re just sitting there like little magnets, creating a bit of, a bit of an energy drain. And so where we are identifying, perhaps, like, Hang on, I’ve been doing all the right things. Why is business not not? Got to, you know, why am I not where I desire to be there is likely to be an energy reversal at play. So I call that bit when we’re energetically buffering, you know, when it’s like our Wi Fi signals, not quite right? And you like me, and when we’re on Zoom, we’re buffering, then you know, we want a really nice, strong human WiFi. Right signal. So being able to identify what’s going on energetically there is really key. And I think the big one for people as well, and we have touched on this in relation to how we can feel people’s energy behind the marketing that they’re putting all the photos that they’re creating, etc, and is to think about our energy that we are in when we are implementing strategies, because we can implement a strategy. I’m sure you’ve seen this in your business. I’ve seen it as well, where you could have two people implement the same strategy. One’s really aligned, and they have great success with the strategy because it’s in alignment with their identity and who they be in the where they’re going, and then the other one implement the same thing, and it just go, Whack, whack, you know? And it doesn’t, it doesn’t work because they’re not aligned. It’s not in alignment with identity and all the things. So I think those the six areas that I would invite people to contemplate as they’re thinking about, right? How do I go to that next level in terms of being able to ultimately, it’s around changing your identity and consciousness, and then how it’s showing up in your body and and your energy field.
Samantha Riley 41:12
I love it. Louisa, I did not know where this conversation was going to go. You didn’t know where this conversation was going to go. I love where it went, for people that have also loved it and want to stay connected with you. Where can they do that?
Louisa Havers 41:26
Thank you so much. Sam, well, I’m on all this. I was gonna say one of the socials, but I’m I’ve been on Instagram, so do come and say hi. We’d love to get to get to know you there. And then I’ve got my website, which is louisahavers.com and we’ve got some freebies on there as well. So and I’ve got a beautiful free guide, actually, that will give you the framework of the six areas that you want to step into be able to elevate your business so you can make the impact that you came here to make. That’s what business is about. For me, it’s about being able to make the impact that that that we came here to make. So we want everyone to have that success, so we can make absolutely the world.
Samantha Riley 42:05
I couldn’t agree more. I think entrepreneurs make the world. They shape the world, and that’s so important. So we’ll have the links right below where you’re listening to this, so you can get a copy of that free resource from Louisa. Thank you so much for joining me again on the show. It’s been such a pleasure. I always love to chat with you. We always go down so many rabbit holes, and it’s just been such a pleasure to share that with our audience today. So you know, thanks for coming.
Louisa Havers 42:32
Thanks so much for having me. Sam, loved it. Absolutely loved it.
42:35
You.
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