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Hustling through stress, skipping meals, or forcing yourself into someone else’s routine will only take you so far before burnout hits.
In this episode of Business Growth Lab, Samantha Riley sits down with Michele Scherr to explore the six health types and how they influence not just your health, but also your productivity, energy, and business performance.
You’ll hear how to identify your health type, why morning routines aren’t for everyone, and how to use your circadian rhythm to get more done without burning out.
If you’ve ever wondered why you can’t stick to other people’s systems, this episode will feel like a permission slip to design a business around you.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL DISCOVER:
- The six health types and how they shape energy, focus, and stress response (01:01)
- Why working with your circadian rhythm boosts productivity and reduces burnout (05:11)
- The hidden reason morning routines don’t work for everyone (08:29)
- How to structure your day around your energy peaks and troughs (13:15)
- Why personalized health codes trump one-size-fits-all strategies (19:04)
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Table of Contents
Your Health Type Could Be the Key to Business Growth
The Myth of the Perfect Morning Routine
Working With Your Rhythms, Not Against Them
Your Health Type Could Be the Key to Business Growth
We’ve all been told to wake up earlier, push harder, and follow the same routines as the world’s most successful CEOs. But what if those routines were never designed for your body in the first place?
That’s exactly what I explored in a recent conversation with Michele Scherr, who helps entrepreneurs discover their unique health type and align their days with their natural rhythms.
Why Your Health Type Matters
Your health type is more than a label. It’s a blueprint that explains why certain strategies energize you while others drain you. From “activators” who thrive on movement to “connectors” who gain energy through relationships, knowing your type is like having your personal operating manual.
When you ignore it, you push against your biology. That’s when burnout, stress, and brain fog creep in.
The Myth of the Perfect Morning Routine
If you’ve ever struggled with morning routines, you’re not broken. You might just have a body that isn’t wired for early-morning intensity. Some people are designed to hit the ground running, while others need to ease into the day and save their deep focus work for later.
Trying to force yourself into a system that isn’t aligned with your natural rhythm only sets you up for frustration.
Working With Your Rhythms, Not Against Them
Michele explained that productivity isn’t about pushing through, it’s about timing. Each health type has energy peaks and troughs throughout the day. By placing your toughest tasks at the right time, you’ll get more done with less effort and less stress.
Instead of treating health as something separate from business, Michele shows how it’s the foundation for sustainable success. Your business can’t thrive if your body is constantly fighting you.
The Permission Slip to Be You
One of the most powerful things Michele’s clients say is, “I feel validated.” They realize there was nothing wrong with them. They simply needed to work with their unique wiring instead of against it.
That’s the real power of discovering your health type. It’s not just about food or exercise. It’s about designing a business and life that supports your energy, joy, and long-term success.
Final Thoughts
Your health really is your wealth. And if you want a business that grows sustainably, your body has to be part of the plan.
Discovering your health type is the first step toward aligning your energy, working smarter, and creating a business that doesn’t burn you out. Because when your health thrives, your business has the foundation to thrive too.
ABOUT MICHELE SCHERR
Michele Scherr is a former Royal Australian Air Force Squadron Leader turned Personalised Health & Wellbeing Specialist. With over 30 years in healthcare and leadership, she now helps high-achieving women reclaim energy, clarity, and sustainable vitality by aligning with their unique biological design.
Michele combines clinical expertise, trauma-informed coaching, and AI-powered epigenetic technology to support founders, leaders, and entrepreneurs in building businesses that don’t burn them out.
She is the creator of the Harmony & Health Success PathwayTM and co-founder of Personalised Health & Wellbeing Solutions – an emerging leader in personalised, precision-driven coaching for women in midlife.
WHERE TO FIND MICHELE SCHERR
- Website: www.personalisedhealthandwellbeingsolutions.com.au
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michele.scherr
- LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/michele-scherr
- Media Enquiries: [email protected]
CONNECT WITH SAMANTHA RILEY
TRANSCRIPTION
Samantha Riley 00:00
Welcome to today’s episode of Business Growth Lab. I’m really excited for this conversation. I’ve invited Michelle Sher to come and chat to us about the six health types. Now, this isn’t actually just about health. Obviously, we know as entrepreneurs and business owners, we do need to be healthy, but she’s blowing my mind in the green room chatting about how this affects our day, how we can be more productive, so much more than just what to eat and when to exercise. So Michelle, welcome to the show.
Michele Scherr 00:31
Thanks, Sam, thanks for inviting me. I’m really excited to be chatting to you today about this stuff. It’s my passion.
Samantha Riley 00:37
Yeah, it is your passion. And I invited you because we’ve had a couple of conversations, and I’m just, every time you you talk about this, I’m like, Whoa, this is just blowing my mind. Can you give us a little bit of an, like, an overarching, little look into, what are the six health types? What are the six health types? Let’s start there before we talk about, like, how it affects people?
Michele Scherr 01:01
Yeah, absolutely. So the six health types what we use to educate people about themselves, so they’re based in how our bodies are designed. So you may have heard of the terms, like endomorphic, ectomorphic, mesomorphic. Sometimes they’re called Apple shapes, triangle shapes, that sort of thing when we’re talking about a body. So that’s where they’re based. But we know that certain bodies are shaped the way they are because of their exposure to the hormones inside them, and so those the exposure to the hormones gives them certain tendencies. And when the groups of tendencies come together, they give a health type. So big picture wise, the health types we start with, let’s start with activator. And these are the people you might know who are always on the go. They move, move, move. They’re like they’ve got ants in their pants. And sometimes we call them hot headed, because they tend to be quite fiery. And just to note, I’m describing the quintessential reflection of these health types. Not everyone within that range will present this way, but it’s it’s really quite nuanced. So for an activator, for them, it’s about movement. Things are about movement. Then we move around the circle to connector. Now a connectors body. These people are the happy, fun people that love to connect. There’s social butterflies. They’re they’re just so much fun to be around. Then we move around to the Guardians. Our guardians are our protectors of the community. They’re our foundation of the community. If you think of families and people who are really nurturing, that’s the type of cluster that we get with guardians. Then we move around to diplomats, diplomats and a lot of diplomats struggle with identifying themselves as diplomats. They reject it. Oh, interesting, but very interesting. But for diplomats, their bodies and their minds, they really love collecting information, and I call it building their tree of knowledge. So when they’re really interested in something, they love to deep, dive into it and find out all about it. And then it might just be a case of tick moving on. And then we’re moving around to sensor. Sensors at the bottom of our circle, as we put it, Boris sensor. Their bodies are designed. They’re quite a light frame. They’re a delicate frame. So they could be tall, they could be short, but it’s a light, delicate bone structure. They are very much people who are in their heads, a lot, lots of stuff going on in their heads, because it’s about protection. From a primitive level, it’s about protection because they have such a fine bone structure, such a fine body, that everything’s about protection, and then we move around to Crusader. I love Crusader. These are the people that get on a mission, and they’re focused. There’s some downsides of it in terms of relationships and that sort of thing. But they’re achievers, and things are about status, and they love to monitor progress. So they love Excel spreadsheets and the like, so that they can see. I typically think of a few of my clients that very much monitoring. Say, one client is coming to mind who is a quick writer, long distance bike rider, and he has his goals of how many kilometers he’s going to do and that sort of thing over a 12 month period, and he’s monitoring his progress towards it, and how many bike rides he’s doing, and all of that sort of thing. All. None of this is professional. It’s all for for personal use. But he loved to monitor and to see progress. So they’re the six, the activator, the connector, The Guardian, the diploma, the sensor and the crusade.
Samantha Riley 05:00
Yeah, okay, why is it so important as a business owner to know which health type we are? What’s the reason that we need to know this information?
Michele Scherr 05:11
Okay, so where I find it really important, and for the clients that I work with, knowing your health type gives you a quick look into the manual of you. So how you designed to work throughout the day, for example. So where your energy peaks are going to be, where you should be resting, where you should put, be putting hard tasks, where you should be going, where should where should you be planning during the day. So when you’re looking at your schedule, are you setting yourself up for success by working with your body’s rhythms? So we call it chronobiology. Other people might have heard of it as circadian rhythms, but working with your body instead of forcing yourself to do it, there’s such a gap there. And to use an example, so one of my clients that I’ve been working with for a little while, very high sheathing lady, comes from a background where she’s had to take the lion’s share of the load with family, with four children, and her husband was unwell, and that sort of thing. So she’s taken the lion’s share. Her body’s built for strength and resilience. So if anyone can do it, she can do it however long term. It’s that chronic stress, right, of having no relief. So what we worked with for her, so you know, when she’s presenting, she’s I’ve just got this weight that won’t shift. I’m foggy, those sort of things. So I’ve tried everything. That’s what I hear commonly with all of my all of my clients, I’ve tried everything, and they have. They’ve done all of the diets, they’ve followed all of the exercise recommendations, all of that sort of thing. But what we do is we structure the day. So we looked at with the the platform that I use, I look at, what’s the best time of day, you know, to be resting, what’s the best time of day for this body? Some bodies can get up and get straight into things. Other bodies need a slow start to the day. So in a slow start, it doesn’t mean that they don’t exercise or anything like that, if that’s where it fits in their day. What it means, though, is that they temper what they do, because afternoons are the best time for them to tackle the tough stuff. Mm, hmm. So for a business owner, knowing that, okay, if I need a slow morning, for example, okay, so I’m going to structure my day so that I ease into my day. I might, you know, do a few admin tasks that aren’t particularly onerous I might get in, and then I’ll do my planning, and then I’ll do my, you know, might be I’ll do my meetings and that sort of thing just after lunch, then I’ll get into my really tough stuff in the later afternoons, whereas for other bodies and other people, it’s they get up, go and exercise, do whatever the heck they like. You know, they can stress their bodies because their hormones are much more responsive. So it really comes down to responsiveness of your hormones and how your body reacts to the stresses we put on them. Does that make
Samantha Riley 08:29
sense? It makes total sense. And what’s coming up is when you work with people, do clients say to you, oh, my God, I always knew that. Like intuitively, I knew that, and I just I thought there was something wrong with me, or I didn’t listen, or whatever it is, because immediately my brain goes to, like, morning routines. Yes, I’ve tried lots of morning routines, and for me and and I don’t know anything about my health type, and I know we’re going to talk a little bit about that later. So this will be interesting to see if I’m totally off or not. I hate morning routines. Hate them. They don’t work for me. I’m about I’ve tried them before. They don’t work for me. And, you know, I’ve always said to people like, just because it works for one person, don’t automatically think that. Think it works for another. But you know, intuitively, do your clients come to you and go, Oh, thank God, I’ve been given a permission slip for that.
Michele Scherr 09:26
Absolutely. So I had a client who she was the activated top that we were talking about before, and so she’s very much learning about herself. And the word that comes through is, I feel validated. So for this lady, she’s very much activators tend to do and then weigh up whether they should do it or not. So they tend to take action first and then think it through. So this lady absolutely gorgeous. I love her and I love her energy. She over one of the breaks she had an option to go away. With some some friends on a I think it was on a boat or something, anyway, for her body type, and because she’s so active, she needs regular fueling throughout the day, so it’s appropriate for her to eat five to six times a day. The group she was going away with wanted to do intermittent fasting, and therefore the person in charge of the food was getting everyone to do intermittent fasting. She didn’t last very long, and the effects were that she started to get hangry, then emotional, like incredibly emotional. Everything started to come up, negative thoughts, all of that sort of thing. She just couldn’t cope with things. So to put that into for business owner, for for the growth lab perspective, if you have someone who needs to eat five or six times a day, and you’re saying to them, okay, I’m going to I’m going to do time restricted eating, I’m going to do intermittent fasting, and they find they just can’t cope with anything during the day. It’s because they’re not fueling themselves properly, and so the one size fits all really comes in here. It just doesn’t work. So we start with health types, and we very much personalize it. And everyone gets their personalized health code now that health code is individual to that person. There is no one else on the earth the same as that person. So even twins will have difference. Oh, wow. Identical twins have differences. Really. Yeah, absolutely. So the most common theme that comes through is the validation. Oh, thank goodness. Now I feel like I’ve been given permission to be me. I don’t have to force myself to. I don’t know if you you remember the the time of and I can’t remember who the author was. They put out a book, and it was about, it was about CEOs. If you want to be a CEO, this is the routine you need to follow. Get up at 4am you know, exercise, meditate, cold baths, you know, all of this stuff before seven o’clock in the morning. Oh, gosh, and your reaction is the same as mine. I’m just,
Samantha Riley 12:15
I’d rather stick a fork in my eye, to be honest.
Michele Scherr 12:17
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So for an entrepreneur, for a business owner, knowing your own rhythms, knowing what you need to do to keep your energy up, knowing what energizes you. So it’s not only activity and food, it’s how you structure your day, the people you have around you. How do you prepare for those those times, maybe in the day, maybe in the week, maybe the month, where you’ve got tough conversations to have, or you’ve got, you know, things that aren’t terribly comfortable. How can you best prepare for them? By your schedule, by how do you put it in your day so you’re going to be at your best?
Samantha Riley 13:01
You mentioned circadian rhythms before, and I thought, I honestly thought circadian rhythm was like when the sun came up and when it went down. I thought that was the same for everyone, but you’re saying that it’s different for people.
Michele Scherr 13:15
Absolutely, absolutely. So the concept is the same. Yes, it’s a diurnal rhythm, so day and night, so two parts, but where we sit within that is nuanced. So you’ve obviously heard of night owls and early birds, and
Samantha Riley 13:33
I think that’s where I was going, because there’s people that say I love to work at night, yeah.
Michele Scherr 13:39
And one of the things that’s really kind of blows people’s mind is when they have conditioned themselves that So say, for instance, my background in defense, I conditioned myself. I would be up at five, 530 every morning. Go to work, do my physical training. Get into the works, you know, into my day, pretty much stressful day come home and I’d be flagging, and I’d be lucky to make it to 730 of an evening. 738 30 at night. And so I was thought, Okay, I’m an early bird. I had conditioned myself, and I was because I remember starting off, I needed alarms to do it, so I would be getting up to my alarm and all of that sort of thing now that I’m not in that environment. Yes, I tend to wake with the sun now, Mm, hmm, but I’m not stressing myself over morning. So an evening, I’m not staying up until like 10 o’clock, which was an absolute that was, that was a night out when I was working in defense. That was, I just couldn’t do it. If I forced myself to get to nine o’clock in the evening, I would pay for that for days because I had put my system in the wrong environment. So yeah, to bring that back again, to. Listeners, putting yourself in the right environment. Yes, there are always going to be constraints, external constraints that come down on you, like if you’re working internationally, for example, those time zone things, but an ad hoc departure from your circadian rhythm, you will cope with a consistent departure, will set you up for stress in your body will set you up eventually, if it goes on for long enough, it will set you up
Samantha Riley 15:32
for illness. Alright, so we understand the importance of that. Now, I did my health type with you. Because I think one of the easiest ways to explain this is probably to have you guide me through so that people can hear I know nothing about my health type. By the way, you’ve told me I’m a connector. That’s all I know. You know me quite well. Where do you want to start with this, talking about what the connector is, talking about what you’ve noticed. I’m going to like, open the floor to you.
Michele Scherr 16:07
Okay, so the first thing I want to say is, how many times do you say, oh my gosh, I’m solar powered. If there’s no sun, I just,
Samantha Riley 16:20
I think I say it on every training call, every Wednesday, don’t I? It’s just, it’s the same thing. I’m solar powered. I joke that I’ve got solar panels on my back, yep. And when it’s raining, when it’s gray, I’m constantly like, sorry guys, my solar panels aren’t they’re not they’re not fired up.
Michele Scherr 16:36
Haven’t recharged, they’re depleted. So that is quintessential about a connector. They are bright. They are bubbly. Sun as a code, we tend to give them a yellow when we’re like, just in our own kind of background stuff. We tend to give them yellow because it’s that bright sun for you. It’s if you think of summer, it’s very much about bright sun having fun for you to get up for the morning and connect with someone around fun. That is just, would that be a great day?
Samantha Riley 17:14
Oh, that’s that is my absolute dream day. Let me tell you dream day.
Michele Scherr 17:20
Yeah, absolutely. So I would suggest that if you could structure your day around first things, first, connecting so fun, food, activity, those three things, you have set your day up to just
Samantha Riley 17:39
flow. Hm, already. A few epiphanies there. Number one is, I’ll never forget there was one day I had a very early podcast interview with someone that, oh my goodness, it was like the most inspiring conversation. And I remember going to my personal trainer after it, and we walk up a very long driveway to get to like where the training studio is, and she’d watched me walk the whole way up, and she went, what have you been doing this morning? You are glowing like you are just glowing. She said, I couldn’t take my eyes off you, and it was because I’d had that really inspiring conversation, and that really stood out to me, because at that time, I’m like, Hmm, I need to have more of these conversations in the morning. So I was already on that food I remember many, many years ago, because I actually ran a Wellness Center for a while, and one of the things that a group of us did was this specific cleanse. I won’t talk about exactly what it was, but I remember about six weeks in, saying I can’t do this anymore, because it was so limiting that I couldn’t go out. And to me, meals are about connecting. And I just said to him, like, I don’t eat just to fuel my body, I eat because that’s when I connect with people. That’s when I’m with my family. It’s when I go out to I go out a lot to restaurants, because I love to catch up with friends, so that automatically stood out to me.
Michele Scherr 19:04
So and to take that a little bit further, the reason that you love to connect is your body is highly responsive to the connection, hormone oxytocin, whereas if we the sensor that I was talking about before, that body, that’s really fine. They have very little big emotion other than overwhelm. So it’s not to say that they don’t feel joy, that they don’t feel happy, that they don’t feel mad, sad, any of the emotions they feel, the emotions it’s very different to the way you feel emotion, because they’re not as receptive to oxytocin, for example. So and I’m going to say this, and I wonder how it it sits with you so on your day, typically, we would see you. Kind of get up. And if we were looking at a chart and charting your energy and that sort of thing, get up and you’re having some fun, you’re interacting, you’re having some food, and you’re going along about between six and eight of an evening. Do you like to just go a bit in which 100%
Samantha Riley 20:18
yes, definitely. It actually happens a little bit earlier.
Michele Scherr 20:23
Yeah, that’s when you recharge. So your version of introversion is different to my version of introversion, however, but that’s when you connect, connect, connect, connect, connect, connect, connect, connect, connect. Okay, I need some time for me. Yep, so that’s a great time of day to actually be doing housework.
Samantha Riley 20:44
Ah, interesting.
Michele Scherr 20:47
So because those kind of activities mean that you’ve got time to just go inward. So yeah, housework, and that’s something, vacuuming, mopping, dust, whatever, gives you a chance to just, you know, if you listen to the music, pop the headphones in and just go, but it recharges you. That’s the time where you go inward to recharge. So for example, if you and why this is relevant, if you started scheduling important meetings between six and eight because of time zones or something, yep, yep. If that was a regular thing for you, you would struggle immensely. You would start seeing disruptions in your sleep. You would start seeing disruptions in the way you eat, the way your body moves and holds weight. For example, you would start seeing multiple disruptions because you’re not doing it at the right time. Mm hmm, but what I’m talking about is is a pattern of not doing it at the right time, occasionally not doing it at the right time, we’re going to cope with that. Your body will cope with that. But if you made it routine that five days a week, between six and 8pm you had meetings that would not work well with your body.
Samantha Riley 22:03
That makes sense. Talk to me about structuring the day, because there are lots of things that we have to do in a business that aren’t fully Oh my goodness. This is the joy. I just love doing this like there are things that we that we have to do. How do we know when to bring those in, knowing that you know this is best case scenario, but how else do we know how to make it work?
Michele Scherr 22:31
Yeah. So within your profile, we come up with, when should you do the hard things? So essentially, we’re looking at your energy during the day, where your hormones are peaking and troughing and all of that sort of thing. When should you do the hard things, the hard things that don’t light you up? There’s a period of day depending on where on your profile, there’s a period during your day that that’s the best time to tackle them so without looking at a full profile. So you’ve done the test that you did is about 80% accurate, but, and I would suggest for you, it’s quite a bit more than 80% accurate, because it gives me a good indication of where you would sit and what your tendency clusters are. But I would need to do a full profile for you to go, Okay, this is the most accurate of where you should put particular tasks in your day.
Samantha Riley 23:25
So you could do a profile on anyone that that works with you, that will give you a map of their hormones and where to put all of these pieces in. Yeah.
Michele Scherr 23:35
So we tend to put it on a clock and we rather than a graph, we tend to put it on a clock and say so, if I was working with with someone, with a business owner, with a professional about their weight, for example, I would look at, you know, first of all, it’s for them, it might be about their food. So we have a clock that tells me this is the time that they should be eating. So if you don’t mind me using you as an example for you, three meals a day is perfect if you’re having really active days. Add in a couple of snacks. But theme wise, having a lighter meal of an evening sets you up for really good night’s sleep, amongst other things, so that lighter meal helps you out. So yeah, for different people, there are different times of day to be doing different things.
Samantha Riley 24:32
Yeah, we just got off a group call, and I know that one of the people on the call was saying that they struggled with getting stuff done at a certain time of the day. Now, he was a diplomat. I think you said, Yes, can you just explain what that person was doing and how you suggested he move it? Because I think for people to hear lots of different scenarios might. Able to really go, Oh, my goodness, that’s me. Or, ah, I think I know what’s going wrong here.
Michele Scherr 25:05
Yeah. So for this particular person, as you said, he’s a diplomat, so the way things are structured at the moment for him, it was admin tasks. So he wakes up, his head’s full of admin tasks that he doesn’t want to do. What’s happening within his body is that his body’s senses that as a threat. So his primitive part of his brain, the amygdala, the hypothalamus, senses it as a threat, so it just raises his stress levels a bit, and from there, his body holds on to cortisol a lot longer, so it takes a lot longer to clear the cortisol. And cortisol is the stress hormone. So for him, he was finding that He’s crashing about 10 o’clock, because from the time he wakes up, he’s he’s under stress, then his energy is crashing, and then he’s having to force himself to get through the rest of the day. And it becomes this vicious cycle. And then you don’t sleep well. You go to bed early, um, you don’t particularly sleep well, because you’re not really at the right time. And as you move on, you start to put more pressure on yourself to sleep well. And then you get up the next morning, and you’re not your best self. So it becomes this vicious cycle. What the suggestion I made to him was, let’s make your morning easy, like I don’t want you having I asked him if he would be open to not having a coffee until about 10 o’clock, because that’s another stress on that particular hormone. So you know, of a morning, I don’t mean don’t move, or, you know, anything like that. You get up at the time you need to get up, but you have an easier morning. You plan things. So it might be things that you like to think about. You might go out for a gentle walk rather than a hard run, or do a a hit class or something like that. So it’s an easy morning, and then get into some planning. Okay, I know what I need. You know, I’ve got all of this stuff that that’s happening. What do I need to do today? Okay, into some planning. So whether that’s half an hour 15 minutes, or whether it’s an hour or more, do some planning first, then go into meetings and that sort of stuff, and this is just a generic overview, because I haven’t measured him up either, and then do the hard stuff of an afternoon, because that’s when his body is primed to deal with the hard stuff. His body is primed to deal with stress, which means that by the time he’s ready to go to bed, the cortisol has waned. Everything, all of the hormones are starting to do what they’re meant to do at the right time, which will give him a better night’s sleep. And then, if he can get that into practice, he’s better prepared for his day. He copes with. You know, the little things, there’s always going to be little things that’ll pop up, of
Samantha Riley 28:04
course, where humans having a human experience, right?
Michele Scherr 28:06
Exactly. But in general, if you can set your system up for what we call homeostasis, if you can set yourself up
Speaker 1 28:16
for joy, for ease, then when the blips
Michele Scherr 28:22
come, you’re much better primed to deal with it and move on.
Samantha Riley 28:28
So in contrast, is there a health type that would be better suited to let’s get up and get those hard tasks off the plate. Because, you know, we’re mostly taught, just get up and get those, you know, eat the frog, or whatever it is. Is that Brian Tracy the frog? That’s what we’re taught. Is there a health type that’s more inclined to work like
Michele Scherr 28:50
that? Absolutely, absolutely. So we live in a society that we call a crusader society, the Crusader particularly in Australia. So the Crusader society in Australia means that we’re very achievement focused. We’re very mission focused. So what’s my mission? What’s my task? I’ve got to get it done. I’ve got to focus, focus, focus, to the exclusion of of everything else, often. So if you look at the high performers, so Steve Jobs is a good example here apple. He wanted a particular shape, something to do with Apple. He wanted a particular shape. He wanted rounded, round, he wanted it curved or something. And he said to his developers, this is what I want. And they said, Oh, don’t know that we can do that, you know, with the technology at the time. And he said, you’ve got, you know, you’ve got a week. I’m paraphrasing here. This may not have been the time frame. You’ve got a week. If you can’t do it, I’ll find someone who can. That’s a very Crusader way of dealing with things. Of I need to achieve this. If you can’t do it, get out of the way. Find me someone who can. So, Australia. In society is very much about, get up, win the day, get moving, achieve, achieve, achieve, achieve. So when you ask that question about, is there a body that’s set up for that absolutely, absolutely so activators, people with activated bodies tend to be set up to get up and move. Of a morning a crusader, a crusader body tends to be set up. And for them it’s about the dopamine hit. So they’re very sensitive. For Crusaders, about the dopamine. So for them, it’s about, yeah, I want that reward, so I’m going to get up and I’m going to get going. For the other body types, it varies.
Samantha Riley 30:40
So interesting, you know, because most of us are sort of where the visionaries, we’re the CEOs, the founders we we’ve got big dreams, big goals, and to understand how we can actually, like growth hack this so that we can get more results. To me, I’ve never heard about this before. Oh, wow. And it’s blowing my mind that we can work this way. It’s also simultaneously, I’ve got this, this thought that no wonder people get so burnt out on corporate
Michele Scherr 31:15
absolutely, absolutely when, particularly when you’ve got a body that’s not designed to work that way. Those bodies are going to they you know, our body is a beautiful thing. Sometimes it’s described as a machine, but I don’t think that’s a really great description. Our body is designed with all these kind of coping strategies in place. So to take this to the extreme. So, you know, someone, I want to say, bitten by sharp someone is in an accident. They lose a lot of blood. Our body has a process where it goes, Okay, oh, I’m sensing that there’s not enough fluid in my pipes. So there’s a couple of ways I can address this. I can squeeze the pipes. I can make the pump. I either heart work harder. Okay, so I’m doing that. Okay, that’s that’s my initial response. Now I’ve gotta go to response B, where I’m going to start decreasing, I’m going to keep the amount of salt in my blood, which draws fluid into the pipes into the vessels. So that’s another coping strategy, like it’s got these layers of responses, so the body’s awesome at that. However, when it’s a long term thing. So you think of someone who’s working corporate for many years, and they’re not designed to work that schedule. They’re not designed to work that rhythm. It’s almost as, if you think about the scenario I just said, with the blood and the pipes and the pump, it’s almost just like, Okay, we actually don’t put any more fluid in. So we’ve tightened as as much as we can, the pumps working as hard as it can, it’s going to fail, and that’s when those people who are not designed to work a particular way, force themselves to do it, and eventually they fail. So we come into, you know, we come into burnout, we come into health problems, we come into all sorts of issues because they’re trying to operate in an environment that is not conducive to their welfare or to their health and welfare.
Samantha Riley 33:23
So as people saying, our bodies just aren’t doing what we need it to do. And your body’s like, help me out here. I need you to do something different.
Michele Scherr 33:32
Yeah, exactly, exactly, right. But our minds, we we set our minds to but this is what I’ve gotta do, because this is the lifestyle I want, this is the level of income I want. This is what I’ve gotta do. And we almost kid ourselves that our bodies can continue to support us, and when things start to go wrong, we go and get that band aid, we’ll go and see the doctor, and we’ll get a pill or, you know, that sort of thing. And but we want to keep going. We don’t want to change anything. And that’s, I think that’s our biggest fallacy, is that you can just keep going, because our medical system is set up as an acute care system. So most medications are designed to be taken for a short period of time until you rectify the cause. Some medications. So if you think of insulin for type one diabetics and stuff like that, that’s going to be a long term thing. But most medications are set up to bite you over until you rectify the cause. But our society is set up. Oh, I’ve got a solution, so I’ll just keep going. I won’t rectify the cause. And that’s, yeah, that’s a big gap, wow.
Samantha Riley 34:43
So for people that are listening that are like, oh my goodness, this is all making sense, I want to know more about how I should be eating, how I should be moving, how I should be framing my day, sleeping. How can they. Find out about their health type and start learning about how to support their body.
Michele Scherr 35:06
Okay, so the first, first things, first, one of the assets that I’ve offered for the show notes is a link to a questionnaire where you can do like you’ve done and find out your health type, which gives you kind of generic information. But for those listeners who are in a position and go, No, I need to take action right now. Follow me along on socials. Contact me on socials. Michelle dot share. I’m on LinkedIn. I’m on Instagram and Facebook. That’s the place to find me cool.
Samantha Riley 35:36
So obviously all of that in the show notes and the link to the health types quiz so you can find out what type you are, just like I did which. Yeah, it’s, it’s quite incredible that everything you said to me, I was just like, yep, tick, tick, tick, tick, oh, my goodness, you know me.
Samantha Riley 35:55
So I definitely recommend that you go and do your health type quiz. The link will be below wherever you’re listening. Michelle, if there was one thing that you could leave listeners with today in regards to this topic, what would it
Michele Scherr 36:08
be? Look, we hear it all the time. Your health is your wealth, but until something goes drastically wrong, it doesn’t actually sink in. I think for entrepreneurs, I think for business owners, for those wanting to grow, if you’re looking at sustainability, which is an essential part, a key performance indicator, sustainability, include health as one of your KPIs. To get an all rounded, because I think we’ve for too long, we’ve been all immersed in the business outcomes as we see the business. But health is an important part. Life is an important part of that. And as I hear you say quite often, you know, we create businesses so that we can have freedom in our lives and all of that sort of thing. But if we don’t pay attention, if we don’t build in sustainable practices by the time we get to that freedom for our life, we’re spending it in doctor’s offices. We’re spending it in hospitals. We’re spending it finding out what’s wrong with us. So, you know, a bit of forward planning and a bit of for some it’s a change of mindset, of to go actually, this really is important to me. What practices can I put in place, just small steps, what practices can I put in place now that are going to compound over time, rather than, you know, become a liability?
Samantha Riley 37:35
Mm, love it. Michelle, thanks for coming and sharing this today. It’s been absolute pleasure chatting with you.
Michele Scherr 37:40
Thanks. Sam, you.
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